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Ep. 29: Using First Principles to Maximize Each Acre with Jason Mauck

It seems like every year we are trying to increase yields, efficiencies and profitability by largely doing what we have done in the past with some minor tweaks. In Episode 29 of Precision Points, we talk with a farmer who re-evaluates all of the things he does and has re-invented his own way of farming. Using #farmweird online, Jason Mauck of Constant Canopy shares how he is optimizing his farm with some out-of-the-box thinking.

Jason, known for relay cropping, focuses on what he calls “first principles” which are derivatives. He gained a large following after he raised 108 bushel soybeans interseeded in wheat. The focus wasn’t just to maximize one crop but to maximize the entire acre’s potential.

“We’re in the business of capturing sunlight,” Jason started. “If we don’t manage sunlight right, we have to fend off weeds. We could be constantly absorbing that solar energy and not only constantly using it to grow more food but also infiltrate water and keep the water cleaner.”

By relay cropping wheat and soybeans, Jason has seen better water infiltration, higher soybean yields, and still has 50-70 bushel wheat to harvest. Schematically, he has optimized his own farm by putting wheat on 60 inch centers, planting 4 rows of wheat with two rows of soybeans, spaced 20 inches apart in between. Soybeans are group 4 maturity planted around 120K seeds per acre. After corn, they dragline apply hog manure boosting the wheat growth. The growing, green wheat doesn’t close the row which allows the soybeans to collect sunlight early in the season.

“Every three bushels of wheat sucks up an acre-inch of water. If you look at our ten year average we’re (getting) 44-47 inches of rain, so water is a liability in the spring,” Jason said as he began describing his wheat as patterned tile. “We just use it as an instrument to let the beans breathe.”

The “magic” as Jason puts it, happens when the wheat is harvested. They have installed a plastic pad that goes on the grain head to push the soybeans down so they are not damaged during the wheat harvest. The straw that is left behind after harvest reflects solar energy back into the canopy. This allows sunlight to get lower into the canopy of the soybean plant, which Jason credits the extra yield boost.

“The cool thing about wheat is that you don’t have to kill it, it just goes through its lifecycle,” Jason added.

One piece of advice that Jason echoed throughout the conversation was to think ahead. It is important to think about how the entire system on the farm is integrated, from incorporating multiple crops to tying in animal agriculture, while spending real time in your field is the key to figuring out how to optimize your own farm.

“If you can start to experiment with population, spacing, different plants, different cover crops, and different tillage methods, you can create systems with forethought to create resilience,” said Jason.

Jason and the team at Constant Canopy have an exciting concept they will be rolling out at their field day called the carbon hyper loop. It's a solar-driven animal pruning module. It will allow farmers to maximize pruning and maximize the sigmoid curve. To learn more about his work find him on Twitter, at, or join him at his field day June 25th 2021.



Host: Morgan Seger

Guest: Jason Mauck

Voiceover (00:03):

Welcome to Precision Points: An Ag Tech Podcast where we plant seeds of innovation to inspire informed decisions about precision technology and its impact for growers like you. We explore precision ag tools and technology from the soil to the sky, with your host Morgan Seger.

Morgan Seger (00:23):

Welcome back to Precision Points, an ag tech podcast from I'm your host Morgan Sager. And in each episode, we strive to bring you unbiased ag tech information and ideas. Today on the show, we have Jason Mauck, who is the CEO of Constant Canopy and Muncie Meats, and he is a farmer. And I got to say, talking with Jason, he's a farmer, who's doing it his own way. So he is really known for relay cropping and has won soybean yield competitions from interceding soybeans in wheat. And he kind of walks us through what that strategy looks like in some of the benefits. We focus our conversation on first principles - so talking about sunlight capture and moisture utilization. I hope you enjoy this conversation with Jason Mauck.

All right. Welcome back to Precision Points. Today on the show I am joined by Jason Mauck, the CEO of Constant Canopy. Jason, welcome to the show.

Jason Mauck (01:19):

Thanks for having me.

Morgan Seger (01:21):

So I am super excited to talk today. I started following you online about a year ago. I saw you interacting with Vance Crowe, who we actually had on in episode 16 to talk about virtual reality. So when I saw you guys engaging, I was like, “Oh, well, this is interesting.” And I stayed in your content because my husband and I farm. I work with a lot of farmers and it feels like we're always trying to move the mark by doing the same things that we've always done. And your content always kind of gives me a pause to stop and think, “Okay, why are we doing it this way? And is it working?” So I'm excited to talk today about what you're working on in ag. So to kick us off, could you give us a little bit of your background and just kind of your story and what you're working on?

Jason Mauck (02:09):

Sure. So I was born into two farming families. My dad hopped in the truck with grandpa to deliver seed corn to Louie Heat and then fell in love with his daughter. And they both farmed on the Northern part of Delaware County, not too far from you. So I was all around farming my whole life. I got back to the farm in my twenties. I spent a few years as a landscape contractor after a few years in sales and then I lost my father. So I had to come in and kind of take his spot when I was 30. And now I'm 40. And after about a couple of years of farming, kind of the traditional way, I started experimenting with the multiple crops. Again, I was a landscape contractor. I was used to flowers and perennials and landscape design and all that stuff.

Jason Mauck (02:57):

So I think it was a lot of osmosis learning from just seeing a spacing and solar capture and all that kind of stuff. So through trial and error and building my network, it's kind of allowed me to meet new people, meet new people like Vance and his network. And now we've got 18 people that kind of work under Constant Canopy. We have a meat company, manure project, or we're always kind of coming up with stuff and I've got the people to do due diligence to pull things off.

Morgan Seger (03:32):

Sure, sure. So what does this look like for you? I know that you're kind of known for relay cropping. Can we maybe start there and just give an overview of what that is?

Jason Mauck (03:43):

I'd love to talk about first principles, which is derivatives and the blunt honest truth is we're in the business of capturing sunlight. And if we don't manage sunlight right, then we have to fend off weeds. You know, we get 3.4 inches of rain and all the rain goes into mud holes. And then the old guys drive around and shake their heads. We could be constantly absorbing that solar energy and not only using it to grow more food, but also infiltrate water, keep it on their farm, keep water cleaner, fend off weeds. And, that's kind of what I'm interested in. And, instead of just maximizing one crop where I got a lot of attention, 2018, we raised 108 bushel soybeans in between wheat rows. And that kind of opened my eyes, that things don't have to be competitive. They can actually be complimentary. So constantly trying to figure out what's next what's new options and relay cropping is simply getting one thing ahead of the other thing - planting something in between it and just thinking ahead.

Morgan Seger (04:54):

Sure. So what does that look like for you? Is it mostly soybeans, wheat?

Jason Mauck (05:00):

Mostly soybeans and wheat. I've done some summer annuals. We're going to eventually get into this carbon hyperloop deal where we're growing raspberries and nut trees and fruit trees and hops and grapes. And we'll have animals grazing in between there and maximizing the perennial sigmoid curve. But right now, most of our acres are in relay. Cropping is wheat and soybeans, and I've kind of through trial and error, got it to this schematic of 60 inch rows where we grow four rows of wheat and then put two rows of soybeans that are space 20 inches apart in between there and there are about 10 inches from the wheat row. So when we get scenarios like we got last yesterday, 3.7 inches of rain, whatever we got, it infiltrates that water and it can breathe and we can raise better soybeans. As long as we get enough precipitation in there, we will beat our monocrop soybeans and get 50, 60, 70 bushel wheat in the process with low cost of goods.

Morgan Seger (06:06):

Gotcha. And, I listened to a podcast that you were on with John Kenneth, and it kind of sounds like at first we were kind of trying to maximize wheat, but then now you're just really trying to do it for as little as possible as a benefit for the soybeans. Is that right?

Jason Mauck (06:23):

Exactly, exactly. And there's a project that we're working on that will be a really big deal to this in a couple of years. We're taking everyone's hog manure, dairy manure that has too much of it in your area and turning that to renewable natural gas and an affluent are charged. So we'll be able to get some nitrogen and put that underneath the weed row, which should drop the cost considerably.

Morgan Seger (06:48):

Got ya. So if we just go back real quick to these high yield soybeans that you had, can we talk like, what was the population by time you get the wheat out of there per acre, what were you looking at?

Jason Mauck (07:01):

So we'll plant the same population. So these days the way to think is: okay, some people plant 15 inch rows. Some people use a corn plant and just plant thirties.If you go to thirties and you plant the same as 15, then you're putting a lot of soldiers down the line. If you plant soybeans early, you know, 80,000 will maximize yield. If you can get them to bloom, you know, June 10th. So we, we plant usually 120,000 - 130,000 bean plants, which is basically, we're just taking that 30 inch planter and we're just wiggling it. So we, we come up with 20 and 40 inch and we put the 20, between the 60 inch wheat again to put it 10 inches from that wheat route. The reason we went out to sixties is we can really amp I've got a lot of hog manure on our farm.

Jason Mauck (07:48):

So we'll usually drag line it with hog manure after corn and plant the wheat there so that the wheat is amped. It'll grow as hard as it can, but it can't quite close the row. And as it flowers, it erects back up towards the sky and allows plenty of light in there to drive the soybeans. So, I'm always talking about inflection point. Every three bushels of wheat sucks up an inch acre inch of water. If you look at our ten-year average, we're 44 to 47 inches of rain a year. So water is a liability in the spring. A lot of people don't think that until you get a big rain and then you've got to replant where you're hurting those root hairs. So we just use it as an instrument to let the beans breathe. And the magic, I call it the magic, is when you harvest the wheat.

Jason Mauck (08:36):

So we devised a plastic pad that connects to your Draper head or grain head, and it'll actually push the soybeans and make them do the limbo -if you went to the skating rink.ou can actually compress the soybeans down that are two foot tall, down about six or seven inches harvest that weed in. And then when you remove the biomass of the wheat, it's shiny, it's straw, it reflects solar energy back into that soybean canopy so that the methodology with 15 inch and soybeans is to allow them to canopy quicker.

Jason Mauck (09:10):

So we can spray our herbicide over the top and not get the waterhemp and the pigweed going. But if we go 20 - 40, we use the wheat as pattern tile, microbiology boost, a stimulant, and then the pruning, the biomass allows light into soybeans when they're making pods at R3. And if you're in 15 inch and soybeans, they're trying to drive all their plant health on the top leaves. So it's literally like taking your Honda Civic and putting a V12 in there. And it's just going to make that plant just hyper produced in the key time. So it's forethought it's pattern tile, weed control. And then this explosion for bean pods.

Morgan Seger (09:55):

Yeah it's making a lot of sense. I'm like visualizing it in my head right now. So when you talk about pruning the vegetation, you're talking about the wheat, not the soybeans?

Jason Mauck (10:05):

Yes. The wheat, and the cool thing is you don't have to kill the wheat. It just goes through its life cycle.

Morgan Seger (10:10):


Jason Mauck (10:10):

So, in our latitude, we use an early wheat and June 28, June 30, we can harvest at 15% and it's out of there and the beans are okay.

Morgan Seger (10:20):

So when we're looking at your soil and drainage and things like that, do you have drainage or is the wheat something that you've been able to use to kind of prevent having to put that in?

Jason Mauck (10:35):

You know, we've got a lot of fields around that have been tiled, not pattern tiled. So when we get a big rain and some of them drain, right, we call up the ditch guy, so we've got tile underneath there. You got to think about the physical, what's actually happening to each raindrop. And this time of year, when everyone's in conventional tillage and you get heavy thunderstorms like we had yesterday morning, all of that water, as soon as it sits on the top, it's going to run to a low spot. But if you have big amped wheat, that's 18 inches tall now, and it's encompassing most of the soil. It's going to physically stop that rain drop infiltrated in that place. So your ground that's up top. The rain stays up there. So we might consume, say 10, 15 inches of rain and moisture the top of the hill, but that was water that would have went to the bottom of the hill if we had no vegetative and no root structure during these heavy thunderstorms in early spring.

Jason Mauck (11:36):

And that's when we screw our crop up, right? You can have a $700,000 planter and be tuned into every tech thing in the world,but we got to think about first principles of rainfall infiltration and solar capture. I'm kind of rambling on here. But when you look at the sigmoid curve, everything that grows has a juvenile point, which we're trying to nurture these small seeds in the ground, how to add adolescent spot, where it rapidly grows. And then it goes into reproductive and the nursing home. And if we can increase our adolescent and expedite that earlier in the season, with something that can take on a frost and grow, then we can manage solar and have more solar captures throughout the course of the growing season, which eventually is going to really change your aggregates and your soil and increase productivity.

Morgan Seger (12:23):

Yeah. And so for our listeners, we're recording right now, here after mother's day, this is going to air towards the middle of June. But yeah, I mean, we are just covered right now in rain. Yesterday, we went for a drive to check our fields and a lot of that corn, because we had a good run planning,we're done with corn. A lot of our corn is underwater right now. And so when you post pictures on Twitter of a field underwater and then a field with something growing on it's like, okay, this makes a lot of sense.

Jason Mauck (12:48):

Right next to each other.

Morgan Seger (12:49):

But we are doing the same thing we've always done. So if someone's interested in like exploring this option or how it might work. I mean, so I'm thinking specifically we have one field that's wet, it's our furthest away field and it's our biggest field. So we don't know that we totally want to invest in systematic tile right now, like a field like that would be the first place we would try something.

Jason Mauck (13:13):


Morgan Seger (13:14):

What would the first step look like? And I guess I'm asking this from the perspective of, I feel like we would have a good plan and then things could maybe get out of control and we would panic. So what's the best way to go in with a solid plan so we don't have those panic moments in season.

Jason Mauck (13:30):

So you got to look at the percentages, and both your crop and the weather starts to dry out in early fall. And a lot of people will push full season corn, trying to get a few more bushels. And usually by the time they combine, it's down. The deer have kind of screwed on the edges. But you don't get the yield you usually get out there when harvesting it when it's nice and full. So it begins with a winter before choosing the field and planting an earlier corn. So, you know, like a hundred-day corn, maybe bumped the population up a little bit. Harvested at 24%, let it be your first field, get it off September 15th or 20th. And then now you have tons of options. You're going to get that solar decay of your residue, go out and plant your wheat before the fly free date.

Jason Mauck (14:15):

I mean like September 25th, something like that. You got plenty of dry and thermo equity in the soil to get a lot of growth. And that lot of growth is actually going to go to work for you over the course of the winter. You get those roots going down deep. You know, it doesn't have to be wheat. That's an easy thing to market in our market here can be rye, barley - it doesn't matter. You're still going to get those ancillary benefits, but get a big growth in the winter. If you plant it really early and plant a little bit later in the week. So it's not going to flower and you're not going to have the frost pressure when you get down to 33 degrees on May 11th. The next year that helps your risk a little bit, but then, get started, get it off, get that field amped and going.

Jason Mauck (14:56):

And then once it's big, you get into late March and early April, it's consuming water so that field's going to dry out quicker because then you've got that consumption and infiltration working for you. Then you put your soybeans there and once you get those soybeans up and the right next to that wheat root, I mean, it's literally like two brothers going to school and one's 15 and one's a 11 and the 11 year olds like, you know, talk trash. I got my big brother right next to me, really had this risk and you get these big three, four inch rain events and drive by and the water's gone and it's, it's really neat. Now it's taken some trial and error for myself to figure out and do kind of the calculus,if you will, of inflection points and probabilities that you know, we're not going to get 60 inches of rain.

Jason Mauck (15:49):

There's only so much solar energy. So a lot of people will plant 15, 13, you know, twin 30 inch wheat. And then if it doesn't rain in the summer, they get, you know, 10 bushel beans. And I go, “What's the point?”, but you look right now, you've got a ratio of about 2:1. I mean, wheat’s at, I don't know, $7.40 right now, the beans are crawling on 16 bucks in the fall.

Morgan Seger (16:10):


Jason Mauck (16:10):

We'll most likely get $15. So if you compare this to double crop, I'm sure you can get a hundred bushel wheat, but if you only get 30 or 40 bushel, double crop beans compared to going 50, 60 bushel wheat, and then 80 90 bushel relay beans, you're going to kill the economics on the relay to the tune of $300 or $400. And then you start plugging in your costs where you ban nitrogen.

Jason Mauck (16:35):

You take a 700,000 wheat seeds, instead of 2.2 million, you plant 120,000 bean teams instead of 250,000. You've got less herbicide and can drive that cost of goods down, especially if have you have pig crap like me, you can just use the pig crap. And if you can drive those costs of goods down a $100 to $200, plus the additional revenues, you're talking about a huge advantage there, but you just got to think ahead and, maybe harvest a little wet, which you can. You could argue that's a little bit less, but it's pretty easy to manage if you're pulling for it.

Morgan Seger (17:10):

Gotcha. You make it sound simple. So I have two follow up questions for what you've said. First is you talk about planting the beans early and they kind of have the wheat to protect them or buffer them against the cold weather and different things. What maturity say for like central Indiana are you planting?

Jason Mauck (17:32):

So in 2018, this is my sixth year of doing it, I did apply. I followed up at ‘19 as well and got similar results, but we've planted anywhere from a 2-8 to a 4-8, and most of us stop around a 4-0 , 3-9, 4-1, something like that. And our yields just kept up as we went fuller season. So I plant group four soybeans. I like to plant them early. There's actually a little bit of a competitive bloom expedite that happens. So I've done plots where I do the same variety monocrop versus relay crop to see these little nuances. So I'm at a 4-1 this year. You can go up to a 4-6 or so, but what happens is when you prune the biomass of the cereal, then the soybean thinks that the day is longer because collectively it's collecting more light from the top to the bottom of the plant.

Jason Mauck (18:24):

You're just increasing its solar capture probably three or four times there for a while. And also those beans usually are much more vegetative where if you push them and monitor crop. They're going to fall down later because they are crude, like chin high, and that will temper their vegetative growth. So they'll want to actually grow, but they'll grow outward. So you kind of get this like Gary Coleman on ‘roids being with a big stock and it's big bushy. And it'll kind of fill in that gap, which is really nice as fill that gap in and two or three weeks, then you won't have the weed pressure and you'll, you know, absorb more and more sure later on in summer.

Morgan Seger (19:02):

Sure, sure. What's the earliest you've seen your soybeans flower?

Jason Mauck (19:07):

Ah, June 4th.

Morgan Seger (19:10):

June 4th?

Jason Mauck (19:11):


Morgan Seger (19:11):

So you're pushing it up and you're extending that reproductive period.

Jason Mauck (19:16):

Exactly. And that's not hocus-pocus but you got to look at it. You know, like this last month we've been cold, so you can plan late March and they'll stay in the ground for three or four weeks. But if you can, if you can pop that bloom up then on the backside, they're not going to go and senescence until the days get shorter. So you can plant, let's say we plant three, one beans, June 10th versus April 10th. You're going to probably pick up two weeks out of that two months of reproductive. And there's a stat out there that you gain two to three bushels per day of bloom. And it's not so much there's kind of four factors though: there's pods, there's number of beans per pod and there's bean size number of nodes. You know, you can go off all these metrics, but normally what really pays you as bean size is getting those big old kidney beans in there and those add up and stack.

Morgan Seger (20:08):

Gotcha. Gotcha. That makes sense. So you mentioned trial and error. How do you measure success for your farm? Like when do you know you have it dialed in versus when you have an opportunity still?

Jason Mauck (20:19):

You know if you're like me, it's hard, You couldn't tie me down with bungee straps very easily. So I'm just always thinking about what's next. So I just crave learning and you know, there's a lot of cliches about failing - fail small, fail fast - but honestly you just, you just learn more, the more nuances you can put out there in the more you see your shadow out there. So it's, it's really important to, as you have stressful events or is just going out there and seeing what's actually happened and digging it up, you know, comparing it against other management strategies.

Jason Mauck (20:56):

And this sounds like an audastsic statement, but we as farmers, we're spending all this money on turn by turn directions and technology and scripts and you know, down pressure, it goes, you, you could, you can go bankrupt in a hurry - insurance poor and technology poor. If you think about what's actually happening, your first derivative or your first principles is sunlight and how we manage our water and, you know, nutrients to, to some point, but how can we amplify ag is by maximizing those first principles and it takes more than one crop. And then I would argue it takes livestock integration and it takes, you know, direct to consumer and get more of that piece of the pie on the value side as well.

Morgan Seger (21:42):

So this might be kind of a side question here, but a fair amount of the people who listen to our show are working in ag retail or work for basic manufacturers. Do you have any suggestions of things that they could be doing to help growers like you who are trying to kind of change the way that we are doing commercial ag?

Jason Mauck (22:04):

Systems approach, silver bullet, you just look at something like dicamba and yeah, it's a heck of a tool. I mean, I can go out and actually beat down mare's tail. That's been rooted in the ground for 15 years. But the great thing about ag is you can start thinking ahead, two or three years, and come up with a system to put you in a position that, that more short term solution is much more costly, which the ag retailers love. But that's the main thing there. The last slide that I always share when I speak is that there are no answers and I know you can be a smart a** and say two plus two is four idiot. I get that. Everything does depend. It does depend on these little nuances that, that if you can start to experiment with, with populations, with spacing, the different plans, different cover crops, different tillage methods, whatever floats your boat, you can create systems with forethought to put you in better positions and to create resilience.

Morgan Seger (23:19):

I like that. So one question I like to ask our guests before we wrap up here is if there is one technology that they're most excited about and it can be in or out of ag, but since we have a tech savvy group following along, do you have any, any one tech you're most excited about?

Jason Mauck (23:35):

For sure. So I want to plug this in my field day is June 25th and that is just outside Muncie, Indiana. Follow me on Twitter, Jason Mauck1 or Jason Mauck on Facebook, whatever. So we're developing a thing called the carbon hyperloop. And I know it sounds like I'm scratching my own back, but I think this thing is going to be amazing what it'll allow people to do. So our market is probably minutely in agriculture directly. It's going to be mostly in vineyards. People grow hops, orchards, all this kind of stuff. And what it is a solar driven animal pruning module. So it's solar panels up top, which collect the energy and every hour, it blows up a little air compressor that that raises an airbag and just propels what that energy animals forward. And we can have two, three, four different modules that just train in between crops on a farm side, you could easily put it in between 20 hundred 20 inch rows that you could strip tone, but bio char inoculated things underneath there and just drive and pump the solar energy to the crop.

Jason Mauck (24:39):

But I think we'll be more in value added space, but this is just going to allow people to scale pruning and maximize that sigmoid curve. And if you put a perennial out there and you are able to make that thing grow, say two or three foot tall and imprint it quickly, and then they can take that urine and manure and amp that perennial back, you can make organic matter faster than any other way. So what our goal is to not only make more nutrient dense food, but take these key performance indicators of water, infiltration, water, quality, organic matter, and expedite the growth of them and just, and just go to town. So that's what I'm most excited about. And we're going to unveil that at our field day. And hopefully in the next couple of years, we're just going to keep cranking them out and we'll have all these modules going everywhere.

Morgan Seger (25:37):

That's awesome. So it's kind of like a moveable cage. The animals are in, in between crops.

Jason Mauck (25:43):

Exactly. So like the chickens I always had to have my kids like spook them in the back. So the back rail wouldn't hit them. We've got like a little fluffer, that'll push the chickens forward. So we don't run them over. We've got all the safety measures to trial and error. I mean, we're going to still have to modify it, but yeah. Yeah. Just imagine a thousand chickens live in between your acre of corn and you sell the chickens for 12, 15 bucks a piece and your fertility goes through the roof and your corn is just green and happy.

Morgan Seger (26:16):

Yep. And you know, the long-term impacts you're doing for your soil. How often, things like that are all just benefits and maybe the next generation can even capitalize on because you're trying to do things right now.

Jason Mauck (26:29):

Yes. Yes.

Morgan Seger (26:30):

Awesome. Well, I will for sure link out to your event. I think I'm hoping to attend it this year. It looks, I mean, do you, are you having a concert?

Jason Mauck (26:41):

Yeah. So we always have. We've had a concert called the Flying Buffaloes, but we're going to have the Flying Buffaloes are called the Smoking Horses. And then I've got another guy that plays like Bluegrass stuff. He's really good. So three bands, and then that's going to hopefully drive momentum to keep doing that every weekend during the summer. I'm always looking for an excuse to have a good time.

Morgan Seger (27:08):

Awesome. Well, I will be sure to link out to the information on your field day and your Twitter account, because for me, like I said, I find it really valuable to at least give me pause, stop and think about what we're doing. So I appreciate what you're sharing out there. And the hashtag farm weird is like one of my favorite hashtags on the internet.

Jason Mauck (27:27):

Love it.

Morgan Seger (27:29):

All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us today.

Jason Mauck (27:35):

Thank you. Have a great day, Morgan.

Morgan Seger (27:35):

Thanks for tuning in to another episode of precision points. If you'd like to follow Jason and his work, I encourage you reach out to him on Twitter @JasonMauck1 or go to for more information about his field day. If you're in the area, I hope you can make it out and maybe I'll see you there. You can access our full show notes and links out to his information at And while you're there, check our network of grower source reviews. It's growers, just like you, leaving reviews on products and services they have used in agriculture. Thanks for spending this time with us. Let's grow together.

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Host: Morgan Seger

Morgan Seger grew up on a small farm in northwest Ohio before studying agriculture at The Ohio State University. She spent 10 years working with ag retail – specifically in ag tech – prior to hosting the Precision Points Podcast. She lives and farms in western Ohio with her husband Ben and their four children. Morgan has her own blog, Heart and Soil, where she talks about her experience farming, gardening, and raising her family.

Guest: Jason Mauck

Jason Mauck, CEO of Constant Canopy, is obsessed with narrowing the gaps of agriculture. Known for relay cropping, Mauck is blazing a new path using cash and cover crops in unison. One middle at a time, the maverick grower is uncovering clues and running wide open toward greater farming efficiency. Jason works 3,000 acres of corn, soybeans and wheat, in addition to growing 25,000 hogs per year. His company, Constant Canopy, is developing cutting-edge farming methods and currently holds the Indiana state record for the highest yield per acre for soybeans and has developed scalable systems for corn yields that surpass most high-test plots.

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